that's not a position that hugo chavez is used to finding himself in. the economy has done well in the last 14 years since hugo chavez has come into power. on the other hand, many say it was at the expense of a lot of infrastructure in the country and basically the government was taking the oil profits and trying to redistribute it and not spending in a very efficient way. it's hard to believe, this country still has huge infrastructure problems. you look around sometimes, anything from medical to the roads to schools, and it still has a ways to go even though it had all of that oil wealth. >> what is the explanation behind that? that's a big contradiction. >> it is a big contradiction, and you know, hugo chavez has been in power for a long time. says look, it takes time. that's my explanation. if you look at the indicators, yes, people in extreme poverty, he has been able to bring down the numbers. at the same time, his challenger, a 40-year-old man, lawyer, comes from the elite but says he will work for the poor. says look, this country has not been r